I'm torn between a '99 BMW Z3, an '90 Nissan 300ZX, and a '95 Mazda MX-5. All three cost roughly the same (Between $3000 and $3500). I'm choosing these because I heard that they're all fun to drive and the experience that the car will give me is one of the biggest deciding factors. My last car was an R53 MINI so the reason the MX-5 is on the z3 choice. Did the same thing when choosing my car. The 2000 was a nice car but you had to go high revs to get most out of the power and is a little bit to noisy. the Maita is alright but a bit to pedestrian , Z4 alright but found myself preferring the look of the Z3. These cars are all rated very good for reliability. Both cars are similar in size. BMW Z3 is 5 cm longer than the Mazda MX-5, 2 cm wider, while the height of BMW Z3 is 3 cm higher. Trunk capacity: 165 litres: 150 litres: BMW Z3 has 15 litres more trunk space than the Mazda MX-5. Turning diameter: 10 meters: 10 meters: Gross weight (kg): 1`500: 1`396: Safety: no data: no data: Quality: Mazda MX-5 Based on this comparison of the Porsche Boxster's and the Mazda MX-5 Miata's specifications and ratings, the Mazda MX-5 Miata is a better car than the Porsche Boxster. Porsche Boxster vs. Mazda MX-5 Miata Pricing. A used 2016 Porsche Boxster ranges from $38,990 to $109,445 while a used 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata is priced between $16,999 to $25,999. 1996 BMW Z3 1.9 specs, 0-60, quarter mile, lap times, top speed, engine specifications, pictures, updated October 2023. Honda CRX Del-Sol VTI vs Mazda MX-5 1.6 vs Tudja meg, hogy melyik a jobb BMW Z3 vagy Mazda MX-5, az összehasonlításban szerepelő modellek a gépkocsi gyártok hivatalos adatai. Biztos lehet az adatok pontosságában, mivel rendszeresen frissítjük őket. Mazda MX-5 engine produces 10 HP more power than BMW Z3, but torque is 26 NM less than BMW Z3. Thanks to more power Mazda MX-5 reaches 100 km/h speed 0.8 seconds faster. Fuel consumption; Fuel consumption (l/100km): 8.1: 7.8: Mazda MX-5 consumes 0.3 litres more fuel per 100 km than the BMW Z3, which means that if you drive 15,000 km in a year lZVu8i7. Het concept van de MX-5 werd meer dan 30 jaar geperfectioneerd, met de 2-liter 30th Anniversary als voorlopig hoogtepunt. Is het meteen ook de beste tweeliter roadster die je kunt kopen, of duik je beter de zoekertjes in voor bijvoorbeeld een Z3 met zes-in-lijn? Staycation, het wordt mogelijk het woord van 2020. Dit fenomeen zorgde er alvast voor dat we flink meer zwembaden, tweede verblijven en motorfietsen gingen aanschaffen. Allemaal om meer te kunnen genieten binnen onze landsgrenzen. Maar is een cabrio niet nog beter? Immers praktischer dan een motorfiets en in een coronavrije toekomst ook nog buiten de landsgrenzen te gebruiken. We zochten uit wat je je nog best kunt aanschaffen zolang de zon nog overuren klopt. 30 jaar fijngeslepen Om al meteen een open deur in te trappen: de Mazda MX-5 – generatie ND – is een verdomd goede roadster. We hebben de al vanaf de lancering in 2015 bewierookt en ook de kreeg vanaf de facelift voor modeljaar 2019 onze zegen. Deze 30th Anniversary vertrekt vanaf die basis en beschikt over 184 pk en 205 Nm koppel. Als leuke surplus krijg je bij deze verjaardagsversie een opvallend oranje koetswerkkleurtje bij, gesmede Rays ZE40 RS30-velgen met 30th Anniversary aanduiding en een interieur dat rijkelijk voorzien is van alcantara en oranje accenten en stiknaden. Nog leuker zijn de Recaro-sportstoelen (die weliswaar nog meer steun zouden mogen bieden) de Bilstein-schokdempers en de Brembo-remklauwen met – jawel – oranje tint. Tijdens goed kilometer hebben we genoten van het gezelschap van deze oranje rakker. En dat in alle omstandigheden. Van hittegolf tot plotse regenbuien en koudere nachten met kap open (en verwarming aan). De MX-5 weet altijd een glimlach te toveren en dat ook op alle wegtypes, van snelweg tot binnenwegen in slechte staat. Bij regenweer sluit je de kap in een handomdraai en is dit multitalent voldoende strak opgehangen om een sportievere rijstijl toe te laten maar tegelijk nog erg comfortabel te zijn wanneer er typisch Belgische wegen opduiken. Nog opmerkelijker is de rust aan boord, zowel met kap op of neer valt er haast geen windgeruis te bemerken. Ook nergens een kraakje of piepje, wat wel eens durft voor te komen bij cabrio’s die het twee- of drievoud kosten. Four seasons in one day Tijdens een typisch Belgische zomerdag met zon, wind én regen trokken we erop uit met de MX-5 en een uitdager van weleer. De MX-5 biedt immers nog open rijplezier dat nergens meer op de markt is terug te vinden, zeker niet voor een redelijk bedrag. Onze keuze viel op een Z3 Enerzijds omdat de Z3 plots aan een heuse revival bezig is en deze zomer overal opduikt, en anderzijds omdat zo’n Z3 eveneens een allemansvriend is met een 2-liter onder de kap – zij het eentje met twee cilinders meer. En het moet gezegd zijn, de 20 jaar oude Z3 blijft ten alle tijden de nieuwe MX-5 opjagen. Zijn stijl is eerder speels, met een achterzijde die al eens – zij het gecontroleerd – een stap opzij durft te zetten. De 2-liter hier is 150 paarden sterk (gecombineerd met 190 Nm), maar weet niettemin te verrassen. Deze BMW dateert immers nog goeie ouwe tijd en verdeelt zijn cilinderinhoud over 6 in plaats van 4 cilinders. Toegevoegde waarde daarvan is een meeslepend geluid, veel meer dan in de toenmalige E46 320i met dezelfde motor, en een bak karakter. De 2-liter Z3 lijkt daarenboven meer verzot op het draaien van toeren, terwijl de 2-liter van Mazda het nog steeds meer van souplesse moet hebben. Meesterlijke versnellingsbak Een souplesse die in de verf wordt gezet door de versnellingsbak van de Mazda. Versnellingsbakken als deze tonen aan waarom het nog moeite loont zelf te schakelen. De schakelwegen zijn kort en de bediening hoogst aangenaam. Doordat de versnellingsbakverhoudingen niet te lang zijn – wat in deze WLTP-tijden helaas schering en inslag is – kan de souplesse van de motor optimaal benut worden. Ook al kan de 2-liter MX-5 nu goed toeren draaien, daar is bitter weinig reden toe. Zelfs onder de omwentelingen kan je makkelijk de vaart erin houden en soepel van bocht naar bocht glijden. Dan is de MX-5 in zijn element. Duw je hem nog verder – wat met name de Brembo’s best aan zouden kunnen – dan verliest de MX-5 wat van zijn stabiliteit en scherpte. Het is op zo’n momenten dat je nog steeds enige vaagheid in het stuur en wat rolbeweging in de koets gewaar wordt. Maar dit is natuurlijk een roadster en geen racemachine. Kleine kantjes Alleen maar positieve punten dus? Helaas, de MX-5 heeft ook zo zijn kleine kantjes. Die zelfs belicht worden door de 20 jaar oudere Z3. Zo is de ruimte aan boord beperkt. Zeker als passagier weet je niet altijd blijf met lange benen. De opbergvakken aan boord zijn daarnaast ook op een halve hand te tellen. Naar een handschoenkastje of opbergvak in de deuren zal je bijvoorbeeld tevergeefs zoeken. Je zal het moeten stellen met een – gelukkig ruim en vergrendelbaar – opbergkastje tussen de twee stoelen. Ook qua kofferruimte doet de Z3 beter, met 165 tegenover 130 liter. Deze is bovendien bij de Beierse uitdager mooier gevormd, met op de koop toe een grotere uitsnijding om het laden van weekendbagage te vergemakkelijken. Ook met hedendaagse comfortitems gaat de MX-5 deels in de fout. Het gedeeltelijk digitaal instrumentarium is slecht afleesbaar in de zon, zodat je moet gokken op welke snelheid de cruise control staat en hoeveel benzine er nog rest. De vergrendeling treedt ook meteen op na het sluiten van een deur, nog voor je bijvoorbeeld de tankklep of de bijrijdersportier kan openen. Uiteraard is er geen van al die nonsens te bespeuren bij de Z3. Neusjes van de zalm Bij een ondergaande zon is het makkelijk tot een conclusie te komen voor beide roadsters. Ze zijn enerzijds erg gelijkaardig maar anderzijds ook erg verschillend. De Z3 is een ideale weekendwagen die door zijn edele klank ver te prefereren valt boven zijn viercilinderbroertjes ( en Dat de bovendien het faceliftmodel is, met onder andere de bredere heupen achteraan, is mooi meegenomen. Daardoor zijn deze varianten ook vrij uniek want ze doken pas vanaf april ‘99 – en slechts een goed jaartje – in de verkoopbrochure op. De MX-5 (30th Anniversary) is daarentegen een weekendwagen die je ook dagdagelijks kan inzetten. Hij heeft daarvoor alle moderne comfortitems aan boord en zijn magistrale versnellingsbak zal zelfs in fileverkeer een genot blijven. Deze bak in combinatie met de 2-liter geeft de wagen voldoende souplesse om zowel tegen 10 km/u door de dagdagelijkse file te kruipen als tegen 70 à 90 km/u door het Ardeense landschap te zoeven. We begrijpen dus best waarom deze erg verslavende roadster als zoete broodjes verkoopt. MAZDA MX-5 Skyactiv-G 184 pk MOTOR: viercilinder, atmosferisch, CILINDERINHOUD: cc, MAX. VERMOGEN: 184 pk (bij tpm), MAX. KOPPEL: 205 Nm (bij tpm), AFMETINGEN L/B/H: 3,91/1,73/1,25 m, LEEGGEWICHT: kg, VERSNELLINGEN: 6, manueel, AANDRIJVING: achterwielaandrijving (met mechanisch sperdifferentieel), OPGEGEVEN VERBRUIK: 6,9 l/100 km (156 g CO2/km), BANDEN: 205/45 R17 (rondom), TOPSNELHEID: 219 km/u, 0-100 KM/H: 6,5 s, VANAFPRIJS: euro, SCORE: 4,5/5 BMW Z3 Roadster MOTOR: zescilinder, atmosferisch, CILINDERINHOUD: cc, MAX. VERMOGEN: 150 pk (bij tpm), MAX. KOPPEL: 190 Nm (bij tpm), AFMETINGEN L/B/H: 4,05/1,74/1,24 m, LEEGGEWICHT: kg, VERSNELLINGEN: 5, manueel, AANDRIJVING: achterwielaandrijving, OPGEGEVEN VERBRUIK: 9,2 l/100 km (220 g CO2/km) (NEDC), BANDEN: 225/50 R16 (rondom), TOPSNELHEID: 210 km/u, 0-100 KM/H: 8,9 s, VANAFPRIJS: Vanaf ca euro, SCORE: 4,5/5 Add car Overview Door 2-door 2-door - Seats 2 2 - Engine Straight 6 Cylinder Engine(Gasoline Fuel) 4 Cylinder Engine(Gasoline Fuel) - Combined MPG 0 0 - Size length, height length, height - Drivetrain Rear Wheel Drive Rear Wheel Drive - Exterior color Exterior color - Interior color Interior color Tanin Red Impala Brown Topaz Sand Black - Transmissions Transmissions M/T A/T 5-Speed M/T 4-Speed A/T A/T 4-Speed A/T - Vehicle EPA Classification Two-Seater Two Seater - Wheels Front Wheel Material Alloy Alloy - Rear Wheel Size 16 x in 14 x in - Rear Wheel Material Alloy Alloy - Spare Wheel Material Steel Steel - Spare Wheel Size Compact in 14 x 4 in - Front Wheel Size 16 x in 14 x in - Electrical Maximum Alternator Capacity (amps) 90 70 - Cold Cranking Amps @ 0° F (Primary) N/A N/A - Engine Displacement - SAE Net Torque @ RPM 181 @ 3500 119 @ 5000 - Engine Type Gas 6-Cyl Gas I4 - SAE Net Horsepower @ RPM 170 @ 5500 140 @ 6500 - Mileage EPA Fuel Economy Est - Hwy 27 MPG 28 MPG - Fuel Economy Est-Combined N/A N/A - Cruising Range - Hwy mi mi - Estimated Battery Range N/A N/A - EPA Fuel Economy Est - City 20 MPG 23 MPG - EPA MPG Equivalent - Hwy N/A N/A - EPA MPG Equivalent - City N/A N/A - Cruising Range - City mi mi - EPA MPG Equivalent - Combined N/A N/A - Suspension Suspension Type - Rear Semi-Trailing Arm Double Wishbone - Suspension Type - Front MacPherson Strut Double Wishbone - Suspension Type - Rear (Cont.) w/Coil Springs w/Coil Springs - Suspension Type - Front (Cont.) w/Coil Springs w/Coil Springs - Brakes Front Brake Rotor Diam x Thickness N/A x -TBD- in - Brake ABS System (Second Line) N/A N/A - Brake Type Pwr-Assisted Power - Disc - Rear (Yes or ) Yes Yes - Rear Brake Rotor Diam x Thickness N/A x -TBD- in - Disc - Front (Yes or ) Yes Yes - Brake ABS System Four-Wheel - - Fuel Tank Aux Fuel Tank Capacity, Approx N/A N/A - Fuel Tank Capacity, Approx gal gal - Steering Steering Ratio (:1), Overall 15 - Steering Type Pwr Rack & Pinion Variable pwr assist - Turning Diameter - Curb to Curb ft ft - Turning Diameter - Wall to Wall N/A N/A - Lock to Lock Turns (Steering) - Tires Spare Tire Size Compact T117/70D14 - Rear Tire Size P225/50VR16 P185/60HR14 - Front Tire Size P225/50VR16 P185/60HR14 - Weight Information Base Curb Weight 2899 lbs 2381 lbs - Dimensions Track Width, Rear in in - Second Head Room N/A N/A - Height, Overall in in - Front Leg Room in in - Min Ground Clearance N/A in - Passenger Volume ft³ 46 ft³ - Width, Max w/o mirrors in in - Second Shoulder Room N/A N/A - Trunk Volume ft³ ft³ - Liftover Height N/A N/A - Wheelbase in in - Track Width, Front in in - Second Hip Room N/A N/A - Front Hip Room N/A N/A - Length, Overall in in - Passenger Capacity 2 2 - Front Head Room in in - Second Leg Room N/A N/A - Front Shoulder Room in in - Recently, I got into doing comparison articles with the reasons why I bought my Miata over my other car choices. That opened the doors to continue digging a little deeper. Let’s look closely at the Mazda MX-5 Miata vs Porsche Boxster. Let’s start by laying out the ground rules for this comparison… We all know the Boxster costs about twice as much as a new, fully-loaded Mazda MX-5 Miata. For that reason, this may sound like a less than ideal comparison. But is it really? Keep in mind, this comparison is based on the NC Miata (2006-2013+). Various legitimate comparisons can be made between it and the 986 and 987 Porsche Boxster. Comparing it to a 981 Boxster (2013+) is not quite as ideal right now, although I’m sure there are people doing so already. Of course, the new vs new comparison below would be based on a 981 Porsche Boxster. There are 3 situations in which a buyer would be comparing Miata vs Boxster: 1. New vs New: A buyer with good money in his pockets could be considering a new Boxster vs a new Miata. The difference in the end will be a decision based on which car he prefers, whether he pays the Boxster’s new premium price, or saves a chunk of change and enjoys the Miata instead. It might not necessarily be a cost-based decision. Having said that, a new 981 Porsche Boxster would yield the biggest price difference up from a Mazda MX-5. 2. New vs Used: This comparison would likely be the most common… 2 equally-priced cars. A brand new MX-5 at $30k vs a used Porsche Boxster at $30k. Of course, the appeal is obvious… Your budget says you can only spend 30g’s so those are the options. 3. Used us Used: This third option will likely be the least common. This is typically for the guys that refuse to pay new car premiums regardless of the vehicle. They can afford a used Boxster, but even if they go for a MX-5, would still buy it used. All are plausible situations and I’ve spoken with many car guys that have in fact considered at least one of these Miata vs Boxster scenarios. Anyway, I’ve driven both cars and I’ve read countless comparisons and forum posts that compare both cars. These are some of the things I’ve found: Pros for the Mazda MX-5 Miata 1. The MX-5 offers more bang for the buck. Of course, this one’s a no-brainer. You can buy a brand new one, with full warranty for the price of a used Boxster with no warranty, or barely any left. 2. The MX-5 is going to be cheaper to maintain. New or used, the Miata is almost always going to be less expensive to maintain and run. Repairs are cheaper and so is regular maintenance, such as oil changes, brake service, etc. However, there are ways around this with the Porsche if you really want it. But we’ll leave that for a little later. 3. The MX-5 can likely offer a more carefree enjoyment. Given the smaller cost of the MX-5, enjoyment could likely be bigger than with the Boxster, specially if you are concerned with costs. You can take them out in bad weather, park them with less concern and overall worry less about it than you would with the Porsche. 4. The MX-5 can be more fun to drive. I’ve heard this one from folks that have owned both. The MX-5 might not be as refined, but it’s engaging at lower speeds. If you factor out the “coolness” factor of owning a Porsche and just concentrate on the drive alone, many claim the Miata is more fun to drive. You can chuck it into corners easier due to the reduced weight and you can hoon in it and have fun without breaking every speed law on the road. Rowing through gears and revving the engine is just plain fun. In the Boxster, you’ll be doing less of that because by the time you’re redlining second gear, you’re breaking the speed limit badly. This is coming from the horse’s mouth of Boxster/Miata owners. I’m just paraphrasing. Basically, the MX-5 Miata will feel more “sporty” at lower speeds. The Miata will also offer more drama at lower speeds. 5. Don’t have to deal with IMS (Intermediate Shaft Bearing) issues. It is well-known the IMS in the Boxster engines up to 2008 can fail causing catastrophic failure. This is more probable in older cars, mostly the 986 Boxster. Yes, there are things you can do to help prevent it, even if you decide not to install a fix before it happens (the “fix” can be very expensive), but it’s always nice not to have to worry about it at all, right? When peace of mind is concerned, the Miata has the Porsche beat. Pros for the Porsche Boxster 1. The Boxster is simply a better car in every way. You are paying twice for the car, and if it’s pre-owned you’re paying the same money as a new MX-5 Miata for a car with at least 35,000 miles on it already… So you’d expect the car to be better overall. Well, it is. You get better materials inside and out, better fit and finish, better factory suspension, more power, more refinement, a Porsche badge, etc, etc. 2. Porsche ownership for Miata money. Listen, criticize Porsche owners all your want, but for the most part, it’s cooler to own a Porsche than it is to own a Miata. I bet the OG’s at Mazda HQ secretly own Porsches. So of course, being able to buy a Boxster for Miata money is quite appealing. 3. Better interior. This fits with the 1st point of it being a better car in every way. However, it merits a point of it’s own. The interior in the Porsche, specially that of the 987 Boxster is waaaay nicer than that of the MX-5 Miata. The seats are better, the dash is nicer, the door cards too, you get the picture. 4. Better at higher speeds. The Miata will feel livelier at lower speeds but the Boxster will feel better and more confidence-inspiring at higher speeds. However, by then you should probably be on a track and not on public roads. 5. You’ll be happier with a Boxster in stock form. If you are the modding type, the Miata would likely be a better option. But if you’d rather just enjoy the car as it is from factory, the Boxster will be much better out of the “box” 😉 Most likely, you’ll be happier with it as is, so long as you buy the right one. Meaning, buy the Boxster S if you want more power, versus trying to upgrade a base Boxster. On the MX-5 you’ll likely spend more time and money upgrading a few things before you are completely happy. In regards to that last bit, here’s our article of essential NC Miata modifications. …if you can easily afford either, maintenance and running costs included, then you can truthfully make a decision based solely on preference. As you can see, the deal breaker is cost. It’s safe to say that if you can easily afford either, maintenance and running costs included, then you can truthfully make a decision based solely on preference. But for many, it will be a cost-based decision. If you are hoping to work on the car yourself, whether to save on costs or because you like to do the work yourself, the Miata will be easier to work on. This specially for home-garage-shop car folks. The MX-5 is smaller and lighter and you can work on it from the top for many projects. On the Boxsters however, just about everything that has to do with the drivetrain needs to be done from under the car. Reducing ownership costs of the Porsche Boxster As mentioned briefly earlier, one good way to reduce the ownership costs of the Porsche Boxster is to do a lot of the maintenance work yourself. Things like oil changes, brake jobs and the like can be done at home… Harder to do than in the MX-5, but it’s still doable. Another way to reduce costs on the Boxster if you are dead-set on wanting one over a Miata is to have work done at independent shops rather than at dealerships. Given that for many it will be a financial decision, this might be the only way you could afford one of them over a Miata. For that, you should join Porsche Club of America and the popular Porsche forums and dig up the contacts for trusted local Porsche specialists in your area. If you take the time to find good independent techs, you can save a lot of money over a dealer workshop. Not to mention, the work can be just as good, if not better. Again, if you find the right guy. Final notes Porsche does know what they are doing when it comes to the market position of their cars. While the price of a used Boxster can allow someone with a Miata budget to enjoy Porsche ownership, the risks are higher for those people. The fact is, that no matter what, Mazda markets the MX-5 Miata as a inexpensive convertible sports car for a reason, and places it correctly in that market segment. Porsche on the other hand might be aiming the Boxster at people who can’t afford a 911 (even if they deny it), but still have fairly fat checking accounts. You need to understand this before you get in way over your head. It also depends on where you spend your money. If your only hobby is cars, you can likely afford a Boxster even on moderate income. But if you have 10 different money-sucking hobbies that you refuse to let go off in favor of cars, the MX-5 can very well satisfy your sports car thrills. This said, it would be unfair to segment Porsche or MX-5 Miata buyers solely on how much coin they can swing. As many status-symbol Porsche driving people as there are, you have proper enthusiasts that buy a car for the actual driving experience. For that reason, there are many enthusiasts that can easily afford a Porsche 911 for example, but consider Boxsters, or even buy Miatas, just ’cause. Costs aside, the Mazda MX-5 Miata and Porsche Boxster do fit in the same comparison table. In Consumer Reports surveys, both cars are actually head to head, year after year, in the sports car convertible segment. Even when a new Boxster is twice the money of a new Miata. Both cars are fun and extremely competent and each has pros and cons in relation to each other. Take your time, test both cars and crunch the numbers. Unless you are getting in over your head in costs, it would be hard to make a mistake when choosing between either of these cars. Killer2005 Original Poster 18,515 posts 207 months Saturday 15th January 2011 I have been thinking about my next car, and have been thinking that I need a RWD sports car for about 4-5k. There was an option of going slightly over my budget for something along the lines of a Caterham or a Honda S2000, but lack of suitable storage places and insurance prices have put these ideas to bed, so its down to the Z3 vs more interestingly, I'm leaning more towards the Z3 than the MX5. Largely due to the fact that my commute at the moment is nearly all dual carriageway or motorway, and I really don't get enough time on twisties So sensible thinking or has insanity finally taken over me? Saturday 15th January 2011 S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chap Saturday 15th January 2011 The MX5 is the better sports car, but the Z3 (assuming you're talking about an I6) may well be the better GT. Neither is really designed for motorways. Saturday 15th January 2011 S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chap Saturday 15th January 2011 wackojacko said: S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chapNot too bad on the motorway, VERY good MPG compared to the MX5 and Z3. MR2 Spyder is arguably a better drive (certainly more of a sports car in terms of handling than the Z3) although a front engined RWD is more progressive and easier to have 'leet drift fun' with than a 'midship runabout'.Where it falls down is a complete lack of storage space compared to just about every other cabriolet (and in my humble opinion that is really the only insurmountable negative point). That said, I am not sure if a rear luggage rack is as it is a mid(engined)-ship, the cabin is quite big compared to an MX5 (relatively speaking) and there is usable space in the passenger footwell. There is a bit of space in the front boot and behind the seats too, but no rear 'boot' like a Mk2 MR2 or boxster by texasjohn on Saturday 15th January 20:46 Saturday 15th January 2011 Saturday 15th January 2011 Definitely or Z3. Brilliant cars and for 5k you can find a good one of either. I've sold my Z3 six months ago for It needed is absolutely nothing wrong with Z3 on a motorway. One thing - wind deflector is a must if you are thinking of roofless m/way you want it quieter with roof up you can buy an optional engine in is very nice to drive in town too, plenty of torque at low revs. redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarOh really? And then a slower than the slow thing, tiny engined, with a pathetic soundtrack from its mere 4 cylinders MX-5 is? Edited by rottie102 on Saturday 15th January 20:57 Saturday 15th January 2011 redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarFair comment. It's not that bad a cruiser with the I-6 though. Saturday 15th January 2011 rottie102 said: redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarOh really? And then a slower than the slow thing, tiny engined, with a pathetic soundtrack from its mere 4 cylinders MX-5 is? Um, yes. Saturday 15th January 2011 rottie102 said: redgriff500 said: Z3 is not a sportscarOh really? And then a slower than the slow thing, tiny engined, with a pathetic soundtrack from its mere 4 cylinders MX-5 is? Yes. A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an Unless the MG has a by JFReturns on Saturday 15th January 21:09 Saturday 15th January 2011 JFReturns said: A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an MGTF is a vastly better drivers car than the Z3. Saturday 15th January 2011 I had a weekend in a Z3 when looking to upgrade the MX5. No way is it a sportscar. It was neither confidence inspiring, that quick, or fun. I bought a Chimaera. Saturday 15th January 2011 A 2 seater sportscar isn't what you want for a commute in my opinion, something bigger, more comfortable and wafty would be more suited.. I'm sure, though, that you have already considered Z3 is the worst of both worlds, it's neither as fun as an MX-5 nor as comfortable as a mondeo or other motorway muncher. A Z3 is likely to cost you a lot more than an MX-5 or a mondeo in running money would go on a mk MX-5 with a hard top (and leather if possible, but the hard top would be more of a priority). Saturday 15th January 2011 kambites said: JFReturns said: A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an MGTF is a vastly better drivers car than the Z3. Agreed. But then so is Panda. Saturday 15th January 2011 texasjohn said: wackojacko said: S2000 is cracking and in terms of speed and sound is fantastic and an easy car to live with so would be worth the extra stretch,if not I would advise the newest shape of the MR2 formally known as the MR-s plus you'd have spare cash if you went for one of these vvti 0-60 8 secondsair con in someplus it's a forgiving mid engined car which is great for daily commuting and is also at home on a trackday or 4 if not then I'd say the Mx5 purely because it's a great car , plenty of enthusiasts , plenty of tuning scope etc hope that helps ya chapNot too bad on the motorway, VERY good MPG compared to the MX5 and Z3. MR2 Spyder is arguably a better drive (certainly more of a sports car in terms of handling than the Z3) although a front engined RWD is more progressive and easier to have 'leet drift fun' with than a 'midship runabout'.Where it falls down is a complete lack of storage space compared to just about every other cabriolet (and in my humble opinion that is really the only insurmountable negative point). That said, I am not sure if a rear luggage rack is as it is a mid(engined)-ship, the cabin is quite big compared to an MX5 (relatively speaking) and there is usable space in the passenger footwell. There is a bit of space in the front boot and behind the seats too, but no rear 'boot' like a Mk2 MR2 or boxster by texasjohn on Saturday 15th January 20:46 totally agree, storage space is rather agree with mid engined car 'snapping' faster but the MRS was very gradual when provoked, it can be had fun with when more experienced but i found the MRS is set up to understeer before it's near to snapping so unless you play with it, it shouldn't turn on arguably more civilised, air con , leather etc and a hard top option (also with mx-5) Saturday 15th January 2011 I'm about to get a Z3 for exactly that purpose - i have a 40 mile m-way commute, and want something small, ragtop with some torque to it. I built my MR2 for a previous, shorter commute and weekend fun and its just too thirsty, loud and gizmo-filled for what i want the Z3, see if you like it. Saturday 15th January 2011 Saturday 15th January 2011 JFReturns said: kambites said: JFReturns said: A Z3 is just about a crap a car as you can possibly buy, short of an MGTF is a vastly better drivers car than the Z3. Agreed. But then so is don't share any more wisdom with us... Saturday 15th January 2011 Killer2005 said: Caterham , but lack of suitable storage places and insurance prices have put these ideas to on Caterhams is dead cheap for the speed of the things. It'll be cheaper than the S2000, Z3, MX5 etc... I'd be willing to you get quotes again, don't make the mistake of getting quotes through a normal insurance company which you would use to get quotes for most the other more standard a kit car specialist such as Adrian Flux, Caterham insurance, MSM insurance (personal vote for them) and many more. Due to being a kit car (factory built or built by yourself), it's cheaper to normal cars in the same way classic insurance is insurance it's self is the same. I have mine insured for 10K miles per year (could be unlimited) as I use it as my daily and only car, living outside in a communal car park for flats and houses. 3rd party insurance to drive other cars, free windscreen cover or a limited amount of track day cover free over the year. Anyway, get a quote through one of the above mentioned people and see how it comes out. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Killer2005 Original Poster 18,515 posts 207 months Saturday 15th January 2011 Its the lack of useful places for a Caterham to live thats putting that idea off. Where I live now I could quite happily do it as its quite out of the way, but where I would be moving to I would'nt want to keep a caterham as it would be on street parking, and not the better places in Leeds to be keeping one is local and I'm really quite temped but I would forsee the worst happening Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff Posting Rules Mazda MX-5 jest bezkonkurencyjna. W swojej 26-letniej historii nie doczekała się godnego siebie bezpośredniego rywala. Jednak ten zaszczytny status nie chroni małego roadstera przed porównaniami. Na upartego zawsze można dobrać konkurenta. W kwietniu („AŚ” nr 17/18) zestawiliśmy 1,5-litrowe MX-5 z Mini Cooperem cabrio. To starcie brytyjskie kabrio wygrał 10 punktami. Teraz MX-5 dostaje drugą szansę w mocniejszej wersji z silnikiem Jednak tym razem musi się zmierzyć z BMW Z4. Oczywiście, te dwa auta dzieli duża różnica w cenie, za to łączy je idea dawania kierowcy czystej radości z jazdy, którą zapewnia mieszanka otwieranego dachu z: niską masą auta i jej korzystnym rozkładem między osiami, tylnym napędem, precyzyjnym prowadzeniem i nadwyżką mocy. BMW Z4 jest oferowane w 3. generacji od 2009 r. – to obecnie najstarszy model w palecie bawarskiego producenta. Najsłabszy dostępny w nim silnik, oznaczony symbolem 18i (156 KM), świetnie pasowałby do tego porównania, ale... BMW, niestety, nie mogło nam udostępnić takiego auta do testu. Zamiast niego dostaliśmy 184-konną wersję 20i, która kosztuje od 167 200 zł. MX-5 nigdy nie będzie tak drogie. 160-konna odmiana SKY-G i-ELOOP jest oferowana tylko we „wszystkomającej” wersji wyposażeniowej SkyFreedom (113 900 zł). Skórzana tapicerka, automatyczna klimatyzacja, asystent pasa ruchu, nawigacja, nagłośnienie Bose – to wszystko znajdziecie seryjnie w MX-5, natomiast w Z4 wymaga dużych dopłat albo (jak np. asystent pasa ruchu) w ogóle nie jest dostępne. Mazda MX-5 z pełnym wyposażeniem Bogate wyposażenie czyni codzienne użytkowanie auta bardziej komfortowym, ale przecież nie po to kupuje się roadstera. MX-5 nie zatraciło surowego charakteru. Dach otwiera, a właściwie „odrzuca się” ręcznie, bowiem po zwolnieniu blokady wystarczy machnąć ręką za siebie i już można cieszyć się wiatrem we włosach, dać się pochłonąć prowadzeniu, wciągnąć w zwinne skręcanie, szybkie zmienianie biegów krótkim lewarkiem i wysokie kręcenie silnika... Sami chyba rozumiecie, dlaczego elektryczny napęd mechanizmu składania dachu nie jest dostępny. MX-5 „żyje” i zaraża swoją żywiołowością kierowcę. Zmierzona przez nas masa 1070 kg (mówimy tu o aucie z kompletnym wyposażeniem) trafia na moc 160 koni zakochanych w wysokich obrotach, czekających tylko na to, by wierzgnąć kopytami na szczycie ciasnego zakrętu. ESP dopuszcza drobne zamiatanie tyłem, zanim wkroczy do akcji. Rozczulająco ryczący 2-litrowy „wolny ssak” wkręca się na obroty tak, jakby był w transie, a krótki, wręcz dżojstikowy lewarek skacze między przełożeniami z precyzją i właściwym oporem. Ręka bardziej z nim wykonuje perfekcyjnie wyćwiczony układ taneczny, niż zmienia biegi. Choreografem pozostaje jednak układ kierowniczy, mający kierowcy naprawdę mnóstwo do powiedzenia i tak samo dobrze przekazujący jego polecenia do kół. Zakręty bierze się „na raz”, bez poprawiania kąta skrętu kierownicy. Jazdę czuć całym sobą, czuć pracę mechanizmów, czuć asfalt – to auto jest po prostu niczym przedłużenie kończyn. BMW Z4 to przy MX-5 inny świat Przesiadamy się do Z4 i lądujemy w innym świecie. Mościmy się w wygodnych fotelach z obszernymi siedziskami i dużym zakresem ustawień. Wykończenie jest na wysokim, wręcz luksusowym poziomie. Dach – sztywny i elektrycznie składany, a szyb bocznych naliczyliśmy 4, a nie 2, jak w MX-5. Z4 sprawia w środku nieco „limuzynowe” wrażenie, gdy jeszcze przed chwilą siedziało się w spartańskim, filigranowym MX-5. Silnik Z4 włącza się przyciskiem. Do dobrze wygłuszonej kabiny dyskretnie przedostaje się dość przypadkowe, typowo 4-cylindrowe brzmienie. Sprzęgło, „jedynka” – aha! – nie wchodzi tak lekko i aksamitnie, jak w Maździe. Dodajemy gazu, 270 Nm wciska plecy w fotel już od 1250 obrotów. Odpowiednio gwałtownie Z4 przyspiesza też od niskich obrotów. Jednak MX-5 nie robi się przy tym malutkie w lusterku wstecznym. Wręcz przeciwnie, przystępuje do wyprzedzania! Poza elastycznością 80-120 km/h na 6. biegu i prędkością maksymalną to właśnie Mazda może pochwalić się bardziej emocjonującymi osiągami. Asem w jej rękawie jest bowiem niska masa – Z4 jest aż o 428 kg cięższe i o 32 cm dłuższe od MX-5. Większy rozstaw osi BMW przekłada się na lepszą amortyzację nierówności, szczególnie gdy na pokładzie jest adaptacyjne zawieszenie. W komfortowym trybie Z4 sprawnie wygładza pofałdowania jezdni, dobrze radzi sobie także na kocich łbach. I nawet w sportowym ustawieniu BMW pozostaje miększe od Mazdy, która w tej wersji ma seryjne sportowe zawieszenie Bilsteina. Jednak to nie wada w tym aucie, bo nikt nie szuka komfortu w MX-5. Na co dzień Mazda jest twarda, ale jej zawieszenie filtruje najmocniejsze uderzenia. BMW chce być i komfortowe, i sportowe, podczas gdy Mazda skupia się na drugiej z tych dyscyplin. Spełnia minimum podstawowych potrzeb motoryzacyjnych, a daje maksimum przyjemności z jazdy. Czyli dotrzecie nią z punktu A do punktu B, a przy tym będziecie się świetnie bawić. Mazda MX-5 kontra BMW Z4 - punktacja Maks. punktów Mazda MX-5 BMW Z4 Przestronnośc i bagażnik 10 4 6 Jakość, wykończenie 10 7 9 Fotele i pozycja kierowcy 20 15 18 Wyposażenie (komfort) 10 8 9 Systemy bezpieczeństwa 20 13 11 Składanie dachu 10 7 8 Zryw (reakcja na dodanie gazu) 10 5 5 Przyspieszenie 20 17 16 Elastyczność 20 14 14 Skrzynia biegów 20 19 17 Dźwięk silnika 10 6 5 Komfort amortyzacji 10 4 7 Zachowanie na drodze 30 27 26 Układ kierowniczy 20 17 16 Skuteczność hamulców 30 23 17 Wizerunek 10 5 7 Zużycie paliwa 20 11 10 Cena 20 12 4 Wynik końcowy 300 214 205 Naszym zdaniem: wielki triumf Mazdy Mimo niższej mocy i braku turbo MX-5 rozprawiło się z ciężkim Z4. Mazda perfekcyjnie pokazuje ducha roadstera w klasycznym rozumieniu – angażuje w jazdę, rewelacyjnie się ją prowadzi i jednocześnie oferuje bardzo bogate wyposażenie w cenie aż o 100 000 zł niższej od Z4! Sorry, BMW... Mazda MX-5 kontra BMW Z4 - dane producenta Mazda MX-5 BMW Z4 Silnik: typ/cylindry/zawory benzynowy/R4/16 Pojemność skokowa 1998 cm3 1997 cm3 Moc maksymalna 160 KM/6000 obr./min. 184 KM/5000 obr./min. Maks. moment obrotowy 200 Nm/4600 obr./min. 270 Nm/1250 obr./min. Prędkość maksymalna 214 km/h 235 km/h Skrzynia biegów ręczna 6b ręczna 6b Napęd tylny tylny Hamulce (przód/tył) tw/t tw/tw Pojemność bagażnika 130 l 180-310 l Rozmiar opon 205/45 R17 225/45 R17 | 255/40 R17 Pojemnośc zbiornika paliwa 45 l 55 l Spalanie fabr. miasto/trasa/średnie 8,7/5,4/6,6 l/100 km 8,9/5,6/6,8 l/100 km Długość/szerokość/wysokość 3915/1735/1230 mm 4239/1790/1291 mm Mazda MX-5 kontra BMW Z4 - wyniki testów Mazda MX-5 BMW Z4 Przyspieszenie 0-50 km/h 2,3 s 2,5 s Przyspieszenie 0-100 km/h 7,0 s 7,6 s Przyspieszenie 0-130/0-160 km/h 11,4/17,5 s 12,2/19,1 s Elastyczność 60-100 km/h 5,9/8,1 s (na 4./.5 biegu) 6,4/8,7 s (na 4./5. biegu) Elastyczność 80-120 km/h 8,0/11,9 s(na 5. i 6. biegu) 8,8/11,4 s (na 5. i 6. biegu) Masa rzeczywista/ładowność 1070/190 kg 1498/227 kg Rozdział masy (przód/tył) 53/47 proc. 47/53 proc. Średnica zawr. (w lewo/w prawo) 10,1/10, 4 m 10,7/10,8 m Hamowanie ze 100 km/h (zimne) 34,6 m 37,4 m Hamowanie ze 100 km/h (gorące) 35,6 m 36,7 m Hałas w kabinie przy 50 km/h 64 dB 62 dB Hałas w kabinie przy 100 km/h 75 dB 69 dB Hałas w kabinie przy 130 km/h 79 dB 72 dB Spalanie testowe 7,0 l/100 km 7,7 l/100 km Zasięg 630 km 710 km Mazda MX-5 kontra BMW Z4 - gwarancja/ceny Mazda MX-5 BMW Z4 Cena podstawowa testowanej wersji 113 900 zł 167 200 zł Utrata wartości (po 3 latach i 45 tys. km) 48,3 proc. 48,6 proc. Gwarancja mechaniczna 3 lata/100 tys. km 2 lata/bez limitu km Gwarancja perforacyjna 12 lat 12 lat Przeglądy okresowe co 20 tys. km lub rok wg. wskazań lub co 2 lata Cena po doposażeniu 113 900 zł 212 349 zł

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